In his film Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore presented an interesting thesis, that our nation has so much gun violence because we promote fear—specifically fear of Blacks. In many families, neighborhoods, and communities, empathy for others is taken as a sign of weakness, something no red blooded American male dares to display. Quan also had private meetings with all parties involved in the case EXCEPT Dorner(according to his manifesto). Bullying experts call anger, hatred, and revenge “bullying.” But this is wrong. A man plays the role of a model citizen. It is almost impossible to get them angry. But make no mistake: Christopher Dorner is no hero… But neither is anyone else. These children may have been born this way or the area of the brain that gives one a conscience may have been impacted by the alcohol and drugs that they were exposed to before birth. We have bullying going on in probably every American workplace to one degree or another, including the areas where we try to stop bullying- in our educational admin offices. Rather than accept the dismissal he spent years fighting the police department, shocked and amazed that anyone would let him go from a job. There have been numerous manifestos written by killers. If it wasn't true, then it wasn't true. Suppose the police took notice of complaints of racism. They convince us that we are victims of that country, or potential victims, and we happy to send our armies there and blow them up. You are playing on guilt. Psychopaths are wired very differently and they exist in all cultures. He was a law enforcement officer and an ardent advocate for gun control. In my youth I operated a motor vehicle after drinking far more than the legal limit of alcohol well over a thousand times without killing anyone or damaging my vehicle. Now he is on a killing spree, a spree he believes is very justified. Christopher Dorner was born June 4, 1979 in New York. A kid feels rejected by his peers so he shoots up the school. And he did exactly what our anti-bullying education insists we must do: he reported acts of abuse by fellow police officers to the police review board. Christopher Dorner — Terrorist or Hero? It is time to realize that it is not bullies that kill. When do we get angry? Many on Facebook praised Christopher Dorner, and claimed he was a hero. US has been the victim of terrorism, therefore the US can systematically use torture in retaliation. As early as first grade, he beat up a kid for using the N-word. Instead we have created this fairy tale version of life and meeting some prince charming and living in the happily ever after. We feel like we are the good guys, the innocent victims, and they are the bad guys, the bullies–and bullies, as we have been taught, are not to be tolerated. the mass murderer prototype appears to engage in "grudge collecting", or ruminating about ego injuries, apparently over a long period of time. We know this because Dorner posted a … How do they achieve peacefulness? I'm afraid that mankind will always be subject to predation by psychopaths, unless some as-yet-unknown cure or treatment is discovered in the future. #wakeup" L3ft-Libertarian Mainstream media and the general public reacted with understandable consternation to the news that Anonymous, or at least parts of… Los Angeles Police Department shows suspect Christopher Dorner, a former Los Angeles officer. Individuals who require psychotropic medication are not mentally healthy enough to be roaming around freely because they can't be trusted to take their meds responsibly on their own. The key to the familiacide (?) Oh I agreed with you. They also like their freedom and operate under the radar of the law to avoid being imprisoned. The fact that somebody else does not agree with you doesn't make you a victim, it makes you different. By the way do you believe that Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dalhmer, John Gasey, Richard Speck, The Boston Strangler etc. The people he killed were real, and unlike characters from a video game, movie, or television show, they will not come back to life. Dorner was confirmed dead 10 days later, after U.S. Border Control found him in a well-hidden cabin. The list can go on. Directed by Tim Pipher. They hide behind priesthood and the community holds them in high esteem. Are you against self-defense just like Izzy is? No. Or, taking prescription meds with alcohol or other drugs. I think Dorner wasn't jealous of Quan, though I agreed it might sound like he was envious of him based on what he said in, again, his manifesto. While I certainly see how male narcissism is a large part of the problem, I think you're simplifying things here. Christopher Dorner is a hero! But such people are rare. If he truly was wronged and his claims were true, he could have been successful is exposing his foes. Through wisdom. Angry people do. If there's one thing that is as destructive to US society as the victim culture, it is the terrible abuse of power and the abject legitimisation of it. The vast majority of people don't use this to excuse assassination. In modern society, this male predicament is both by design and popular common assent. Wisdom is the solution to life’s problems. The precipitating factors to mass violence appear to include: * being male - Whether Christopher Dorner was victimized or not is something I'm not likely to ever know with any certainty. And run for justice? He seems to be condoning bullying behaviors and predator behaviors, or, at the very least, taking the softest possible stance on judging reprehensible acts of violence, hostility and even murder, as though those behaviors are somehow natural and excusable if the perpetrator feels "victimized.". Second, women today have the more and more means to similarly abuse power as men do (by no means equal, I see that clearly). There is no therapy or medication that "works" on psychopathy, however. Sadly, that implies that black men are capable of no better, and I, for one, detest that racism as I encounter it in my own life. And there will be more eloquent articles diminishing police brutality to the scale of playground bullying. I agree wholeheartedly about the problems that arise in identifying oneself as a victim. Also, while it are generally men who go on killing sprees, the Sandy Hook shooter used the gun that was legally owned by his mom to kill her and the children. aspect is held by Othello. US has been the victim of terrorism, therefore the US can terrorize and torture in retaliation. Being bullied does not make you kill people any more than drinking makes you crash your vehicle into things. Dorner wrote in fury, “How f**king dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word!—bully!". Christopher Dorner, did not have a team around him. If someone makes it personal, then they have lost and have to resort to offence. His manifesto claims that police spend most of their time making money from other people’s misfortune, trying to squeeze as many overtime hours as they can from the bureaucratic activities involved in processing incidents. Dorner was a lifelong fighter against racism, injustice and abuse. This is bound to create a few who you'd diagnose as angry crazed narcissists. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. Dorner hid behind the veil of victimization and race politics...while assassinating an Asian-American woman and black man...for the crime of her being the daughter of the Chinese-American man...who was his lawyer at his termination hearing. It's a shame more people don't teach kids when they are little that life is NOT fair, that unfair things happen all the time, and you have to find ways to rise above them rather than wallow in them. I texted my friend in LAPD of my deductions that Dorner had to be still in the Big Bear after two days search amid the wild media speculation on Dorner's "diversion tactics" and "Mexico escape". He then joined the police department and followed the rules(or he perceived he followed the rules) and then things didn't go well. His family was anything but poor, but he occupied the lowest level in the social pecking order and no doubt suffered for it. Having waited until he lost his job and his livelihood and his reputation before he took action against a supposedly intolerably corrupt organization like the LAPD would make him the most selfish hero ever if one were to actually consider him a hero. They see him as a real life Django Who’s Off the Chain. He was not able to make decisions from a mental position of power. She endorses the drone program and Guantanamo bay as much as all of her male colleagues, in fact she bears much responsibility. Dorner’s reaction was, “I’m not a f**king Christian,” and preferred our modern victim-mentality teaching that no one has a right to disrespect us, especially for our race. Hi Anonymous who likes Christopher Dorner, From preschool, we teach children irrational beliefs that set them up for victimization—that we are entitled to a life in which no one disrespects us; that insults are worse than broken bones; that racial insults are the absolute worst thing of all; that bullies are evil and victims are virtuous; that our emotional pain is other people’s fault; that we must inform the authorities whenever we feel bullied; that the authorities are unbiased assessors of good and evil; and that the authorities will take our side against our bullies. If it hurts your feelings, think why? Mr. Huguely was just be a regularly jock getting plowed and enjoying a day of festivities. Social Media Cheers For Anti-Hero Christopher Dorner. "Can you explain why people who get bullied as children and adults but don't go out and shoot up people because they are mad. ~ Then you are one sick person, if a "hero" to you is someone who thinks it is okay to murder 2 people he doubtfully even KNEW, because he did not feel someone related to one of them represented him well. In his manifesto, he said that he attended a Christian elementary school whose principal recommended that he “turn the other cheek” when racially insulted. People who live in major urban centers like Los Angeles, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit,Philadelphia and New Orleans know the way the system works. I am sorry but I read the article and think perhaps you didn't read what you wrote. So no gun-owning male was responsible for providing the gun here. Christopher Dorner is angry and he also thinks he's a victim. Mr. Randal Quan, Dorner's lawyer in his termination hearing, would know more about racism and abuse of power than most people, having been the first Chinese-American captain in the department's history. This is also known as "paranoia". Dorner is now hailed as a kind of folk hero by some on the Chomsky-esque left and the Ron Paul right, who view the killer's manifesto as an articulate indictment of the "police state" they have always opposed. It is a story right out of a Hollywood action movie. Read his manifesto. C'mon--the test of character is, you rise above difficulties as they change your life plans. Brutality. In my mind he is a hero. None of the psychologist who contributed to the article stating that Dorner is not a sociopath knew Dorner personally. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map, I stated quite clearly that "I understand that mental illness exists." Dorner: A Hero Fighting the Man or a Maniac Cop? The overwhelming amount of support towards Christopher Dorner is disgusting. Everyone is a potential danger. After graduating from Southern Utah University in 2001 Dorner joined the Navy reserve. The Ladakhis, for instance, who live in northern India near Tibet, possess no victim mentality. But motorists who are drunk, sleep deprived, distracted, or otherwise impaired cause a disproportionate percentage of highway fatalities. But the State is making it about much more than that. It can kill innocent civilians using drones decades after said terror attacks still based on the victim argument. Somehow I'm supposed to believe that he was wronged...when he did nothing but wallow in his failures for five years... Actually, he went through lengthy litigation against LAPD to get his job back during these years: started with Board of Rights(LAPD internal arbitrage, highly corrupt), Trial Court(adopted BOR's evidence), and then Appellate Court. With Jay Jee, Melissa Ricci, Adrian Bustamante, Tim Pipher. Some declared Dorner a hero, creating Facebook pages with titles like "Christopher Dorner for President". However, some more radical far-left and libertarian anti-cop groups hail Dorner as a hero and various conspiracy theorists alleged that Dorner was intentionally murdered to cover up what he knew. The victims were law enforcement officers and the daughter of a former police captain. #edshow Ex Cop #Dorner is telling the truth about #LAPD. Waterman’s sympathies and those of like-minded social justice advocates would be better directed at the four lost souls and their families. The problem is that men run the country. After reporting police brutality and being dismissed from the force for doing so, he decided the only way to press his case was to write a manifesto on Facebook, and take out some scum. I heard words tossed around like hero and domestic terrorist, but I call this a tragedy because so many families lost loved ones. Dorner became a folk hero to some the moment he killed a cop, and a cautionary tale about anti-cop sentiment to others. This leads me to suspect that he occupied a place at the alpha male end of the spectrum. The problem with that idea is the tendency for the media to sensationalize, coupled with the public's tendency to blame. Adam Lanza of Newtown, Conn. obviously emerged from the opposite end of the spectrum. Priest are model citizens but some of them manipulate young children and molest them. feeling *entitled and justified* to wreak revenge in the form of death on innocent people... well, that should be self-evident that the individual has the chemical or wiring equivalent of swiss cheese holes in their brain. Anyone with nuanced musical tastes probably remembers the song from Body … Why? Why sue people who are loosers already? Christopher Dorner: He's no folk hero. That is how they end up in the corporate world and other places where they don't belong. There is a book out by someone I know, "The Psychology of Abusive/Predatory Relationships" (Relationships with psychopaths) to assist women in detaching from and avoiding these toxic relationships. But no one takes the stand at a murder trial and says, "My pancreas made me do it." Fuck the @lapd — fearless Cult leader (@systolicc) February 9, 2013. My own opinion is that for the welfare and safety of the general public, the entire body of information regarding ALL mass murderers, spree-killers, and murder-suicide perpetrators should be openly discussed and studied. But guns don’t kill. The Christopher Dorner manhunt that has consumed so much of the recent media cycle took a turn last night, as law enforcement officials stormed the cabin Dorner was believed to be hiding in. After three years on the police force, Mr. Dorner was probably well aware that he either went with the flow and kept his job or accepted the consequences of what happened to him. I understand that mental illness exists. ", Just below my comment Annie wrote, "All I can conclude is that this Kim person must be living in some alternate universe where mental illness doesn't exist. When we fear people, we see them as dangerous enemies, so we go out and by guns. Both types of NPD have the potential for violence when ego-wounding occurs. In fact, when we turn, as Dorner did, to government officials, everyone’s anger increases. While Dorner is indeed an example of victim culture and his physical retaliation against verbal abuse attests to that, what seemingly drove him over the edge is the abuse of power he encountered at LAPD. The break with reality could be due to drugs (not taking his meds, or taking his meds in combination with street drugs) or due to something like sudden onset schizophrenia. These cannot not be equated to mere bullying. He is a cold-blooded murderer, NOT a "hero". When his rant had him addressing Mr. Quan by saying "you had a family, but I won't ever have one, and it's your fault," it gave the whole game away for me. By Erik Ortiz. Christopher Dorner, former Los Angeles police officer and United States Navy reservist, killed four and wounded three on Feb. 3 under the pretense of a vendetta with the LAPD. Now Dorner is being compared to movie heroes, has a song written about him and has a long list of fan pages on Facebook. Those who demand the world change for them have no incentive to change themselves. Christopher Dorner Lives On As a Folk Hero By Margaret Hartmann Frank Cardiel and Shantel Cardiel hold up signs in support of Christopher Dorner along the … Monica Quan's father, Randal Quan, represented Dorner in the matter, and Dorner blames Quan, along with about a dozen other members of the LAPD, for his termination and subsequent downward spiral. Why is no one looking at this issue from this standpoint? You can't determine if he is a sociopath or psychopath by just talking to people who may have known him. His rage against insults ultimately led to his own undoing, as well as to the tragic destruction of several other lives. Based on what we know today and what we’ve experienced with the Black Lives Matter movement, Dorner was not wrong about the violent racism running rampant in law enforcement. SHARE. Christopher Dorner is not a hero; he a murderer. I was not defending them, merely attempting to explain their behavior. Experts in violence have been informing us that these terrible acts are committed by sociopaths without a conscience. I partly agree. How did Hitler get Europeans to exterminate Jews in World War II? His teammates will be quick to chastise him if they perceive his fight was for personal reasons, and not the team. Dorner began choking a fellow cop for using that word, although he said that he should have put a gun to his head. The first-person shooter, "Chris Dorner's Last Stand: A True American Hero," was posted on the user-generated online community called 4chan, according to KTLA-TV in Los Angeles. Christopher Dorner is no hero. Transparency Declaration: I declare that I do have a financial interest in a company that offers products and services that may be related to the content of my writings. I think guns do not belong in society except to a very small degree in the military and police force, but that may be my European mindset speaking. The 33-year-old has already inspired a burgeoning subculture of followers. chris dorner was a cold bloodied murderer, who killed innocent people. What this means in a hockey sense, is to fight you is not worth 2 minutes of my time. After reporting police brutality and being dismissed from the force for doing so, he decided the only way to press his case was to write a manifesto on Facebook, and take out some scum. Believe it. If these clubs are not more popular, it may be because of Dorner’s choice of targets, including the daughter of his defense attorney and her fiancé. Perhaps he or she is a Christian Scientist or something. They've been corrupt since the dawn of time, and they have all sorts of ways to keep doing whatever it is that they do. so far, anyway, the overwhelming majority of mass murderers and serial killers have been males, * high intelligence - An observation: If Facebook is any barometer of the public sentiment, there are more than a few who consider Christopher Dorner as something more than a cop killing killer cop. Christopher Dorner: Hollywood anti-hero casts self in real-life drama Christopher Dorner remains a fugitive, a three-time murder suspect. Men who are physically powerful often expect to get what they want, when they want it, and anyone who refuses to give them what they want is victimizing them by demonstrating the ability to say "no" and get away with it. Sadly, it seems to be so terribly *lucrative* for some that it encourages others, and even when it is not lucrative, it's still got that delicious sense of self righteous indignation to keep the coals burning. When Dorner informed his superiors about this, he was treated like a snitch. LAPD may, like all institutions, manifest instances of abuse of power. I challenge you to find even one of them in which the murderer presents himself as a bully. When pain becomes overwhelming, some people despair that society will actually rid us of our bullies. It should be obvious, but in an age where often righteousness is relative, sadly we shouldn’t be surprised. @ktla Christopher #dorner is a hero! When we feel victimized. They are everywhere and could be your next door neighbor, your boss, colleague, boyfriend or girlfriend. People who are the victim of police brutality are being told to shut up and not to play the victim. In other words they see other humans as nothing more than food for the kill. He also believed that even the slow, torturous death administered to Jesus was nothing compared to the pain of being called the N-word. Imagine, irony of ironies, you have dedicated your life to fighting bullying and you get labeled a bully! *perceptual issues- One of the most fascinating dramas of recent times is being played out as I write: the manhunt for former Los Angeles Police Officer Christopher Dorner, who has so far shot three people to death and has threatened to continue his reign of terror against the LAPD until his name is cleared. NO ONE OWES ANYONE ELSE A SINGLE THING...EXCEPT...to treat one another with dignity, respect, & compassion. Example: we (US) have been the victim of 9-11, therefore we have the moral right to whipe Iraq, a country that has nothing to do with 9-11, off the map. The systematic legitimization of Police abuse cannot be equated to bullying. Was he a closet sociopath? Loser. Most people take a few bumps along the road of life, knowing things aren't fair. Wow. If there is anyone other than Dorner himself to blame for his murders, it is modern culture. When do we get revenge? I don't believe that Christopher Dorner, George Huguely, or Adam Lanza were mentally ill. The safest course of action is to make every effort to stay as far away from angry men, or men in general. They suggest that because of an abnormality in the area of the brain that controls warmth, empathy and compassion which are things that are associated with one's conscience, these individuals are not wired to care for others. Instead, he chose evil. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I can't see how is defense representative "bullied" him. It happened anywhere in the world as well. Christopher Jordan Dorner (June 4, 1979 – February 12, 2013) was a Los Angeles police officer who, beginning on February 3, 2013, committed a series of shootings in Orange County, Los Angeles County, Riverside County and San Bernardino County, California. 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It's like saying that, 160 years ago, some white people owned slaves (and some black people sold other blacks into slavery), therefore everybody is guilty today, and deserves whatever they get at the hands of others who want to make a victim-based set of charges.